Ma Yun Insinuate Ma Huateng: Wechat Is A Good Card But It Smashed.

Forbes:

After that, do you have any different feeling from Ali?

Ma Yun: we have not changed our mindset, otherwise the pressure will be great.

In fact, if listed, the whole mindset will change, and there is no benefit at all, which is especially bad for young people.

It's like having a meal in the new year, and what to do.

It depends on our determination.

Look at the pressure on Peng Lei balance Bao last year.

In the past 15 years, others have always underestimated our ability to fight.

In fact, the most powerful part of Ali is that we have been stabbed with many knives. The outside looks fresh, but there are many internal injuries.

On the night before the listing, our partners were together. Last night, after they finished eating and drank the wine, they all wanted to work. This is the responsibility.

Objectively speaking, we did not expect to go to today.

We are not ready to go today. We are not prepared.

Nor should we go to this day. The ability of these people is elongated, not that your horse is very cow, and the cow looks like that.

We are forced to be like this. You have already reached this point. You do not have choice.

Some people say Ali is patient and persistent for 15 years, which is patience and no choice.

Not (laughs) finally.

Objectively speaking, listing is just the first milestone of Ali, and there are still many troubles that can not be seen, or something you see is not brilliant.

Forbes: did WeChat cause a lot of trouble to Ali in the past year?

Ma Yun: I think WeChat is a good card, but it smashed.

This is the same as playing cards. If you have good cards in your hand, you can't hit 4 on the other side. You must hit each other's key parts.

We came back three days ahead of the Spring Festival. After the Spring Festival, we fully thought about it.

In fact, for a while, we just messed up.

The reason for this mess is that it seems that all the people in the world are at night.

It looks as if we are going to die. (laughter)

We came back to make a strategic decision and choice that we made 6 years ago. To this day, we have made it clear that we have not taken the wrong route.

Just outside has changed, just like today (ALI listing), not that we have changed, but the outside view of us has changed.

We should still go our own way.

But we didn't change. When the outside began to change, Tencent began to play dirty chess.

All cases acquired by Tencent are in fact wrong.

Strategy is like buying stocks. If the old ladies start buying stocks, there must be some problems. If the old lady tells you to buy this or should buy that, it will be a problem.

Why do we understand what we have done in the past 15 years, and our acquisitions do not understand? The problem is that after they have made WeChat, all acquisitions and mergers, we all know what they want to do, which is wrong.

Perhaps we should understand that ordinary people should not understand.

The good hand in the other hand, of course, we also have good cards.

In fact, today's pattern was fixed four or five years ago. If four or five years ago there was a choice, APP came out, wireless came out, and cloud computing came out.

How did you get out of WeChat? I was still counting on cloud computing. When WeChat came out, we were nervous, and then we adjusted again. This is the way we should go.

After two weeks of the Spring Festival, we came back, but in fact, Tencent can feel it. WeChat is not everything. Ali is not that bad.

Forbes: does the western view of the company and our Chinese view of the company have any conflict in values? Ali's listing in the US shows that he is willing to accept the value system of the western company and capital.

It should not be said to be a conflict, but rather a high level.

We have different views on corporate governance.

In fact, the views of Americans on corporate governance are totally two concepts.

They are worried about the national policy. They are worried about the organizational structure. They see the company's governance, pparency and long-term strategy. This is the weakness of Chinese enterprises, opaque, and everything is the boss's final say.

I am not willing to accept it. I must accept it.

If your company wants to live long, just like drinking water, you want to drink this water without diarrhea, you must drink water must be clean.

Because you are not drinking, your employees are drinking, your customers are drinking, you are not pparent, your employees are stupid, you say and do differently, who will listen to you?

Therefore, the company needs governance and pparency, and the company needs culture and talents.

Today, many Chinese enterprises are still thinking, I am here to take a piece of land, set up to set these things.

Forbes: in the past few years, stocks have encountered great problems and even crises in pparency. Do you think Ali can be listed in the United States, can you set an example and play the role of big brother?

Ma Yun: This is our responsibility. We can not represent all enterprises. We only represent ourselves.

Why is our stock demand so great, because Wall Street does not regard us as a Chinese company at all?

At lunch today, those American eldest people said that we only saw companies in India that have world-class corporate leaders, such as Pepsi Cola and Microsoft's CEO. They are all Indians and have not seen Chinese people. Today you have changed our impression that China can also produce world-class companies and already have them.

We are no different from them. The values and ideas that the world thinks on a level is the same.

This is our responsibility to change China's concept stocks, but not Alibaba changes, and China's concept stocks will be better.

It's just that we want to prove that I also told them today that there are also bastard companies in the United States. There are also excellent companies in China.

They said, we have never seen good ones. Now they say we have seen them, and we believe them.

CNBC has prepared a very tricky question, but we have nothing to hide.

I think this is trust.

Today, melting so much money is actually trusting. You think you don't trust him, will you pay him?

And buddy, it's 90 dollars at the beginning. Can you think of the concept stock? This is a company of 300 billion dollars. How can such a concept exist?

Forbes: domestic Alibaba will be called BAT. Now the market value of the company is close to 300 billion US dollars, and the company will change.

For example, Google?

Ma Yun: we think we have a distance from Google. The distance lies in that I think they are more mature than we are. They are in a mature market, and in the environment where capitalism is developing well.

As I said before, Jobs must have died in China. He was killed before he came out. But when we came to the United States, we may not die, but we may not survive.

Google is a pparent company all over the world, Google is a technology company, it is to expand the technology boundaries, we are using technology to expand business boundaries, this is the difference between our two.

But I have to admit that after so many years of Google listing, it still has the ability to innovate. We are only innovative today. After seven or eight years of listing, we still have the same level as today.

So I think we have a distance, but I think we have no difference in concept.

Over the years, China has seen our gang of "cheaters", "lunatics" and speeches, but they never feel that I am a God.

I went out from Soros's home yesterday to go back to the hotel because I was walking on the road because it was too busy.

On the road, someone shouted "Jack! Jack!" turned around and found it was Jack Welch (General Electric CEO- editor's note).

I said how so skillful.

Jack Welch discussed problems with me five or six years ago.

He just stepped down, and he told me that all people said that Jack and Welch thought about values only in GE, but not in other American businesses, let alone high-tech enterprises and Chinese enterprises. I said, Jack, both of us are Jack. I want to prove to you that values can be achieved in China.

I don't think there is any difference between us and Google in terms of concept, future grasp and opening up, but we also have the whole talent, structure and ability to fight.

About 400000000000 dollars is put there.

He is more globalized, but he is not globalized in China. He is foolish enough to withdraw, indicating that his experience is not yet available.

We haven't started yet. They have been working for many years.

Forbes: Ali listed, a group of very young tyrants, will they be self willed? Will it affect Ali's fighting spirit?

Ma Yun: there must be someone like that.

But I don't think Ali is the same with everyone.

An enterprise leader said that I did not want to go public because I was afraid that young people would get rich and go bad.

When you get rich, you don't get worse. When people get rich, they get worse.

This is their labor income, which is their luck, but we have to tell them not to regard these money as their own wealth, but regard it as a responsibility.

But today there will be problems. There will be problems. We have more than 20000 employees who are aware of each other. This is impossible, but how long can we resist this antibody, and Google is not as innovative as it was seven years ago.

We have 25000 employees. I think most of our employees in Ali are the most efficient in China.

People say that Baidu is a good search engine. Some people say that Tencent is good at social networking products, but what is the culture of management mechanism, we feel that we are still a little confident.

I won't spell it with you. I can spell it with you. This is what you can see.

This is what we've been working on for so many years.

Forbes: Ali is listed. Maybe some international investors will ask you if you don't understand technology. How can you lead such a Chinese Internet giant to compete with the US Silicon Valley giants? How do you match Google?

Ma Yun: neither Peng Lei nor I know technology, but we know who knows technology better than we do, and who really knows technology.

Huh, we know more about technology, but we know that this person's heart, this person's thinking, is not the future we want, that is, expand business boundaries to help small businesses grow, and then he tells the truth, then you are looking for such a person.

It's not because of technology, but because of the direction to find technology.

We are different from Google.

Google has the technology to look for directions, of course it is right, and we have the direction to find technology.

This is the problem of the public and the mother.

Do you mean good or bad?

Baidu's technology has an opponent, Google is X than it, Tencent's technology, Facebook is no worse than it.

Alibaba's electricity supplier technology and payment technology, you find second out of the world to come out!

Cloud technology, the whole world, we are taking the gold medal.